RAH - Thinking about the reorganization and restructuring of society, and replacing the nation state

Jonathan, do you honestly believe that "we, the people, are the masters of our country"? You are doing very nicely for yourself within the status quo, which of course gives you a strong vested interest in believing this very British myth.

Whether Magna Carta or the Declaration of Arbroath, I think you'll find they had mainly to do with one social elite (group of noble families) struggling against another social elite (the monarch, his family and cronies), who were vying with each other, and with the Church, for advantage and the best opportunities to exploit the peasantry, i.e. the people.

The state never has and doesn't now "work for us", the people, but for the elites who wield power and influence. And you, Jonathan, are one of "them" - not one of "us", as you like to (and no doubt sincerely) believe - not really.

You on the Left now occupy the niche that the medieval church once exploited, securing your social status, and the advantages that go with it, from claiming to guide and serve "the people" from the "moral high ground". And if we (the people) refuse to believe or accept the ideology that defines your "moral high ground", you condemn us as heretics ("racists" or the like), excommunicate us and arrange for the state to punish and keep us in our place.

If you want to become one of "us", i.e. one of "mine", Jonathan, then start thinking outside the box (and power structures) of the "nation state".

[RedRosita]: I agree with you about Britain being a "political construct whose time has passed". However, it disposes over vast amounts of power (money being power in its most versatile form), and those whose personal or group (e.g. institutional) advantage it serves, will seek to retain it - with no end of justifications and rationalizations, together with accusations and condemnations of those who want change.

But what meaning does "England" have either, now, following mass immigration and the creation of a multiracial/multicultural society to which I (and I'm sure a lot of other people) feel little in the way of emotional bonds or allegiance? More alienation and indifference.

Any allegiance we do feel, I suggest, rests on our dependency on this nation state and its institutions, not on any deep or meaningful sense of belonging to it. I belong to a continent, a race of people and a civilization that stretches back more than 2500 years, not to the multiculti society that has popped into existence in cities like London in the past 50 years.

It is time to start thinking about a total reorganization and restructuring of society, and replacing the nation state (which is rooted in our more animal than human nature, which, like our economy, it developed to serve and exploit) with something far more enlightened, just, grass-roots democratic, and suited to the fulfillment of our human nature, rather than to the exploitation of our dumb-animal nature.

Because the means must match the end, it must be done peacefully, without the use of threat of violence. Our primitive, Parliamentary democracy is mature enough, I hope, to allow real democracy to develop from it.

I suggest it's time to open some threads on the subject, to discuss how we might proceed, and where those who oppose us will, I hope, do so in a civilized, non-threatening and non-demonizing fashion.